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[25M] Other single people who have sought counseling related to their inability to find a partner, what were your experiences? What worked (or didn’t work) for you?

I made a post a while back talking about how poisonous it is to internalize the idea that perpetually single people must carry deep flaws that make them unlikable. Several people on that thread forced me to realize how miserable I am and how much I needed help to get out of my own mindset in this regard. So I did decide to start seeing a counselor, and, well…it hasn’t been great so far, to say the least.

In summary, I kept trying to explain my issue (that it was less about wanting dating coaching and more about needing help pulling myself out of self-deprecation and self-gaslighting). I don’t think she really ever understood, I just kept being told all of the obvious things we’ve all already heard before on the internet for free: just go out more, be confident, do things that fulfill you, etc. All of it was very trite and superficial advice. Nothing profound or actually attempting to deal with the core issue.

The weirdest thing by far was that, whenever I tried to pin down something she was trying to advise me about on a basic level (Is it healthy to feel like I do need a partner to be happy? Should I stop actively searching for a partner if all I do is get more depressed and lose more self-esteem by trying? etc…) she would backpedal and be like “Well I don’t really know, its up to you, really. Do what you want.” She said it’s not her place to actually provide instruction, which honestly kind of amazes me, because otherwise, what I am I paying for? Isn’t she supposed to be the expert?

I’ve read some psychological studies before saying that men are task oriented and are therefore helped by collaborating to develop steps to address a problem, and that talking through issues is only effective for women, so female councilors might not work for men. I initially chalked this up to a sexist study for obvious reasons, but maybe now I am being punished for trying too hard to be egalitarian. It really seems like my councilor could not relate at all to my feeling that endlessly talking about an issue without trying to fix it only made me feel worse, made me feel like the problem wasn’t solvable. And if that’s the case, I’d rather just go back to my unhealthy behaviors to drown the problem.

So I’m going to request a new councilor, and this time I’m specifically asking for a male one. Fingers crossed.

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[25M] "There must be something wrong with you if you’re perpetually single".

This is an idea I hear often, and I put it in quotes because its not something I actually believe. Quite the opposite. In fact, I think this is a really toxic attitude to have that does psychological damage to a lot of people. Indeed its something I must confess I’ve struggled with for a long time.

So the assumption at play here is that if you’re unable to get dates, it must be because something is wrong with you. You’re creepy, you’re misogynistic (if you’re a guy), you have no charisma, you’re not interesting, you’re not successful, you don’t take care of your appearance, etc. Which is of course insane because what this assumption does is stereotype a whole class of people as unappealing losers that deserve to be alone. If we swapped the demographic with a race, gender, sexuality, etc. then many would be quick to point out that this is basically a bigoted viewpoint. Yet somehow it is socially acceptable to simply assume a whole list of nasty things about someone simply because they haven’t had much success at dating. It’s no different than assuming inferiority about someone simply because of their race or gender, yet the irony of this is apparently somehow lost on people.

How you’ll often hear this phrased is something like “If everyone rejects you, then guess who is the common denominator?” This flippant response strikes me as odd because its impossible to control the outcome when approaching someone else romantically (and even if you could, doing so would not be ethical or desirable for long term happiness). If you never got dates, it’s because of something everyone else did; they all chose to say “no”. So if you’re a single person, does that mean you must be so inherently flawed that it makes sense for every single person to reject you? Maybe this is true for some undesirable groups that I shall not name, but this certainly isn’t always the case. I think we should at least be open to the idea that there may be cultural/social factors at play that prevent others from recognizing the good traits that someone does have that may not be immediately apparent.

The big problem here is that after a while, people internalize this rhetoric. They come to believe–irrationally–that yes, there must be something wrong with them to explain why they always get rejected. And when they can’t find that reason, they start to gaslight themselves and scrutinize everything they do for signs of being creepy or socially offensive. This leads to poor-self esteem and a defeatist mindset and is why many people give up on dating, I think. Not to mention the fact that its a viscous cycle when lack of sexual/romantic experience is, in itself, a deal-breaker. You get rejected because you have no experience, and because of that, you can never get any experience in the first place, so you can rejected again and again, until you wake up one day and your 20’s are half over and you still haven’t had a girlfriend.

(By the way, despite my last comment, I do believe this issue can happen to both men and women).

So what do you guys think? I know I flaired the post as “venting” but I’m curious what your thoughts are on this topic. Does anyone else feel the same way or notice the same social trends? Do you agree that it is possible for someone to be completely normal, even desirable, but still not get dates?

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